25 Responses to “City Council To Consider CdM Sharrows For Cyclists at Tuesday Meeting”
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July 6th, 2012
OMG!! This will be a huge cause for FURTHER traffic congestion on PCH. What are they thinking?
July 7th, 2012
The concept of "sharrows" is "share, arrows". This itself, is annoying. The bad part is that the presence of the sharrows is going to give some cyclists a sense of invincibility, inviolability and insensability.
July 7th, 2012
Sharrow hopefully meaning share the lane...cars left bikes right single file!! Why should we start anything new?? Cars and bikes aren't follow our rules now! One thing at a time! Like maybe stopping at STOP signs.
July 7th, 2012
People, bikes travelling between parked cars and moving cars is a recipe for disaster. No matter what you do, when that door swings open, the cyclist goes down... and behind curtain number 3 both of the drivers get to live with the accident and/or spend several years in jail because they were driving or opening a door while "impaired." Either get rid of the parked cars or get rid of the cyclists, YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH.
July 7th, 2012
they should divert the cyclist to fifth avenue. Get them off pch from Dalia to poppy. End of story.
July 7th, 2012
Says highway right in the name. Bikes have no place on a highway so get them out of the way and onto Bayside. Put the squeeze to them and let the spandex wearing folks know they aren't welcome.
July 8th, 2012
Agree with Scott. No one obeys rules of the road; rolling stops for cars; no stops for cyclists at either signs or lights; riding in crosswalks; jaywalking between intersections . . . it's a mess due to lack of any traffic enforcement along Coast Hwy, in spite of asking for enforcement over and over again.
July 8th, 2012
We need to stop this sharrow madness now. This meeting is extremely important. Although I will be out of town on business, i am having my wife go in my place. We need to have the anti- sharrow residents there, because you know the corporate-backed spandex road warriors will be there in force.
July 8th, 2012
I absolutely love the idea of the Sharrows. Lets hope that all the cyclists come out in support of this plan. It would be awesome to have a "bike lane" through CDM. I can't wait. Also, however thinks Pacific Coast Highway is actually a "highway" are nuts! This thread is hilarious!
July 8th, 2012
cars are for lazy fat asses. cars are the burden, get them off the road. you people who drive need the exercise anyways. cars are what cause traffic in the first place, need i say more? more people ridng bikes will lower the huge amounts of traffic.
July 8th, 2012
Some of these responses are so ignorant, obviously these people are not aware of a cyclist's rights on the roads.....Perhaps they might want to educate themselves regarding the law, and in the meantime, spandex-clad cylists such as myself will continue to avoid places like PCH through Corona del Mar on our rides. However, when we do have to travel through CDM, WE WILL TAKE A LANE when we have a legal right to.... Believe me, with all the deaths of cyclists due to cars, we do not believe we are invincible, we're just trying to enjoy our sport and this beautiful area in which we live.... MOST of us know the rules and follow them. It's up to the motorists to know the laws as well... STUDY UP, PEOPLE.
July 8th, 2012
Cyclists are here to stay, so we might as well figure out how to get along. The "sharrows" are just a reminder to cyclists and drivers alike that according to California state law, cyclists may ride in the middle of a lane as long as their speed does not impede traffic flow. The definition of "impeding" in this case is that there are 5 or more cars backed up behind the cyclist. In this instance, the cyclist needs to turn off to allow traffic to pass. The sharrows also remind cyclists and drivers alike that in order for cyclists to avoid the "door zone"—the space occupied by an open door from a vehicle parked curbside—cyclists MUST ride three feet from parked cars. And finally, even though most cyclists I know ride single file, they are well within their rights to ride side-by-side, also called "two abreast," instead of in a more lane-space-efficient single file line if there is more than one lane in the direction in which the cyclists are traveling so that motorists can pass on the left. I think this is a low-cost solution that reminds everyone to be on their best behavior for the sake of safety. I really hope they pass it, and if I can manage it, I will be at the meeting to voice my support.
July 8th, 2012
When u make a committee of bike guys - where is the surprise they make a bike decision! I agree; this will just make the aggressive bike riders more of a problem. Leave the HIGHWAY alone! Bikes to the right, or if you are smart, find an alternate route like Bayside sharro lane!
July 9th, 2012
Wow --I am an east coast gal.../ We always look to you Cali "folk" for leading edge and new ways to promote change ...to better our universe...how absolutely close minded of some of you that you cant "share" a paved area.....Nobody wants to hire unfit workers...and the cost of obesity in America is breaking the bank.! i JUST KNOW YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR HEARTS TO BE MORE OPEN MINDED.....PLS RETHINK THIS....THE REST OF THE NATION IS WATCHING AND LEARNING FROM "YOU". Besides what Jesus would say...what did your mothers teach you about sharing... goodness this is not rocket science! Footnote: I am NOT an IM.....I love all human beings....shouldnt everyone have access to tax dollar priviledges....and again isnt sharing :caring??!!! xoxo
July 9th, 2012
Posted a VERY thoughtful and heartfelt opinion on this matter...yet after it said they received it, & Thanks for sharing ,,,they did not post it....how can you be soo one sided and sensorous (sp) in your relaying of peoples opinions//hmmmmm???? Curious in Pennsylvania....home of the original land of free thinking/speech!!!!
July 9th, 2012
Wow, such hostility . Belmont Shores seems to have a good example in place. Just saying...
July 9th, 2012
The fact of the matter is the cyclist are not going anywhere. I am an avid rider and avoid CDM at all cost. However, there are times that I need to ride that stretch to get home. Cyclist need to obey all traffic laws just as a car and I and my fellow riders do. I admit there are bad eggs out there. But, in CDM it seems that the drivers are intentionally trying to not share the road. It is our privilege to ride the taxpayer roads just as it is your privilege to drive it. We ask that you just share the road. If this means moving left or yielding by god that is what you must do as that is a LAW. These signs will just give these type A+ jerks a friendly reminder that find buzzing cyclists sport that they need to share the road. Newport Beach can and should do more to protect all of us. This is a step in the right direction. I urge all of my fellow cyclist to show up in force to the meeting to show our support! The people on this comment section are just conveniently WHINING but I guarantee they will not be there!
July 9th, 2012
Tink, guess you don't live along 5th or Poppy to suggest the cyclist travel those streets instead of PCH. When they have come along these streets they "never" observe the Stop signs are traveling much fast than the cars. The ones coming down Marguerite blow through the 5th street stop sign and are traveling at really fast speeds. They need to stay on PCH and just be careful and keep their eyes out for the traffic and parked cars.
July 9th, 2012
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July 9, 2012
Posted a VERY thoughtful and heartfelt opinion on this matter...yet after it said they received it, & Thanks for sharing ,,,they did not post it....how can you be soo one sided and sensorous (sp) in your relaying of peoples opinions//hmmmmm???? Curious in Pennsylvania....home of the original land of free thinking/speech!!!!
I approve all comments. Yours came in at 12:17 a.m. -- sorry I made you wait, but I'm not typically awake and working that late on a Sunday.
July 9th, 2012
I wish the people who think negatively of the idea of sharrows actually understood what sharrows are, and what sharrows do. It's apparent there is still a great misunderstanding. I urge you to come to Bicycle Safety Committee meetings.
July 9th, 2012
Another thing that is painfully obvious from the comments is that many readers do not understand that it's not the job of government to determine whether bikes should/shouldn't be on a particular road (excepting some, but not all, freeways). Bikes belong. That has never been in question. But it is a matter for government to provide safe access for bicycle riders on every road. Again, I wish those readers had been coming to the Bicycle Safety Committee Meetings...
July 9th, 2012
Good grief. The winner of the most ignorant comment, -" Also, however thinks Pacific Coast Highway is actually a "highway" are nuts!"- So State Highway 1, AKA Pacific Coast Highway is not actually a highway? I won't even touch the spelling/grammar/structure of that sentence. The pro cycle-gangers continue on with their tired opines that it's the drivers needing to educate themselves. I will say that I do distinguish the difference between normal people riding bikes and the way the cycle-gangers ride in fast packs. Normal bike riders are very polite and seemingly very aware to the dangers around them and just how fragile their bodies and brains are and they're also smart enough not to "push" their "right-of-way" against a moving 4 ton piece of metal. Apparently the cycle-gangers aren't very smart the way they dare push themselves to the line and even crossing it as if there is nothing around them that can hurt them. They'll be riding 35 mph or so and if there is an obstacle in their way they'll just move out into a lane of 50 mph traffic expecting the driver to first, see them, then second, slow down in a moment so that they may continue on without having to slow down and if you don't see or slow down the fingers and the expletives start flying. Hell if a car moved into the lane next to them without bothering to check and read the traffic flow and it resulted in an accident, the vehicle changing lanes would have done so in an unsafe and illegal manner. Drifting in and out of the bike lane as if you're untouchable is folly. Now add to the mix the added danger that we ALL must contend with, distracted driving and idiots on cell phones (mostly). It seems to me that you corporate sponsored cycle-gangers aren't interested in "the sport" of cycling. You're more interested in pushing your agenda in order to get your wish to ride like a pack of mad banshee's on a highway so much to the point that I hope, should a day come remember to enjoy your smug satisfaction as you're blowing through tubes and sucking through straws for the rest lives and also ask yourself was it worth it when you bury that friend or loved one. And don't give me that crap about being environmentally friendly either. That will be a better argument when I no longer see big oil companies advertised and sponsored on spandex. Your safe keeping is your responsibility not mine. You cycle-gangers should take note of the polite ways the normal-sane bike riding community rides. You're dragging them down into the muck with you and frankly we don't appreciate it.
July 10th, 2012
Robincdm, I wish you would identify yourself so I can stay the hell away from you. I think you just displaced the most ignorant comment winner. The placement of sharrows on East Coast Highway is an issue worthy of debate, but, your blather is shameful.
July 10th, 2012
Sharrows provide no new rights for cyclists, nor do they take away anything from motorists. What they do for both, however, is provide a highly visible reminder of laws that already exist. Namely, that automobiles and bikes have the same rights and responsibilities on roads. Could it be any simpler?
July 10th, 2012
Oh boo hoo Mike, is that all you got? Insults with nothing intelligent to add to the discussion? You lose. And @ Dan, yes we know cyclists have the same rights blah, blah, blah. You cycle-gangers might want to try diplomacy for a change if you wish to garner any kind of support. As of now the fast pack mad banshee cycle-gangers are just creating more angst among the folks they should be trying to woo. How's that been working so far?
